Will Cheryl ever be let out of her grave? This is a conflict of interest. There was no blood on the front seats so Cheryl was laying down and Christie was asleep laying down and never witnessed anything. And Steven was free to follow her lead or not. The way this investigation and the trial were conducted only left me with doubts. Tracy, I never said she was in the car. We make them president. She was fighting back and they did not like it. I hope they have. It was pitch black outside. To Lisa Griggs The chief prosecutor adopting the children beggars belief! TIL On May 19, 1983, Diane Downs shot her three children and drove them at 5-7 mph to the hospital. And she would have been under supervision. No forensic evidence pointing to her, just conjecture based on how mothers should act. After completing his education and their short-lived high school romance, Steve Downs would move on to join the navy. If it was not such a high profile case, Diane Downs would have been paroled a long time ago: speculative, Ill stop there. Right?? ..it is quite possible if she was tried in todays world, with the evidence they hadquite possible it would of went differentlywe been living in a society that pretty much demand 100% pure forensic evidence provenprobably over 10 years or longer, people expect trials to be that of a law and order TV show..I cant say thats a bad thing, or makes what happened in the 80s on back bad. Hello. Not our place to decide. This is not the reason she is still locked up. Right away, the police asked her to go back to the crime scene even thoughshe did not want to leave her children behind. Gun shot residue is not always present. She had a more than competent attorney and a fair trial before a jury and NOT the same judge who handled the childrens matters. At least two of those school mates reported Christies tortured confession to their mother I still dont buy her story. She threw her keys yet was able to take off right away?? If you shoot at least 6 inches from a victim, you see what is around you in the car. When she resisted, he shot her kids and struggled with her. Yes, I had filed for divorce and then I canceled it. Ur not showing facts that Ann Rule lied n misled n ruined lives with. There was a lot of evidence pointing at OJ. So move on. Late Tom Billings had been the first who openly questioned Diane Downs guilt. Diane was pregnant during the trial so if found not guilty, how would she have regained the love of her life? She said She did it. How do you expect the daughter to have any fair understanding of the situation or any decent contact with Dianes family when the people who have been calling her mother a murderer and a monster are dragging her in the media spotlight in the hope of writing another book or getting a new scoop, but all one sided. At the very least, she should have been released by now. Most people described Dianes injury as minor or superficial but in reality, it was a very serious injury. Without the media blast and rush to judgment from the police and DAs office, we might have uncovered the truth. There is also a recording where she says that she had no idea who shot them. If the police department had done their job properly, I would not have written this blog, no matter the outcome. Whats wrong with the system is whats wrong with us. Gregory Foote who had denied access to the children by all blood relatives and given their care over to the State, was promoted from juvenile to senior judge to preside over the trial of Diane Downs.. Instead of blaming societal problems and working at finding solutions, prison always seem to be their option. Accused of her side of the story what the state says how would it be possible for her to do what they presumed. But he overestimated the kind of people that would go along with this soap opera. USA population seems to shun complex ethical problems preferring to deal with absolute evil in order to exert absolute power to crush it. She was judged very harshly for her character and her defense was dismal. Seeing her giggle and laugh during a videoed reconstruction gave me, as a mother, a sickening feeling. Their haste to go to trial created this mess and lingering doubts. She was no mother of the year and in the car when the kids got shot. Diane needs some serious spiritual advancement and atonement before she ever will have or deserve peace. Or can have an accomplice. I am also engaged in other wrongful convictions that have taken place within the US. Whether or not Mrs. Frederickson could have attacheda clinical lab to Dianes not being herself the day the Detectives pressured Diane to accompany them, the fact is Diane was clearly suffering the residual effects of that chemical poison in her system. He needed, now more than ever, to vacate the area asap. They did not like her attitude and she did not behave the way they expected a grieving mother to act. During the process of the termination (which can take the whole 2 years in question, with appeals) the court is mandated to find family to take the children. Mind you, it is before the trial. Around 1 in 20 residents in Arkansas and Tennessee were missed during the 2020 census, and four other U.S. states had significant undercounts of their populations which could shortchange them Most people negotiate the ups and downs of . Therefore, my understanding is that the original sentence is deemed indefinite with parole hearings every 10 years. They had him micromanaged, and with the testimony of little Christie they were in business. In addition, the children were suffering life-changing physical and mental trauma, which would take years to heal. Nice to see this blog is still active in 2017, being a lot of groupsmessage boards and such, on subjects like this has no activity for years. You seem to care about my opinion and perception of some elements of the case and how the media poisoned the well in this instance, but what about the trial? In Oregon, in 1983, she shot her 3 children, 1 daughter died. Why? On May 19, 1983, Elizabeth Diane Downs and her three small children were shot on a country road near Springfield, Oregon. In this article, we can clearly see that Becky struggled and tried to justify her woes (maybe rightly so) by blaming it on her DNA. It was obvious to the cops and the prosecution because they proceeded to get her daughter to testify against her because they had nothing to prove she was the shooter. That her child was basically forced to admit that she saw her mom shoot them? I base a lot on what I see and hear from her in her own words in footage of a 28 yr old woman. As far as her innocence goes and the possibility of being paroled if she admitted her crime, Diane strongly maintains her innocence. 3. Carol Kirkwood shared an insight into her recent holiday to Norway with fianc Steve Randall on Wednesday as she shared their first social media post together.. I try to bring up the elements that were totally ignored. The way Christie was coached did not correspond to the reality of the direct evidence. The prescribed normal dosage for a full grown man is 30 milligrams per day. When they recaptured her, she was very docile. It was known as Manic Depression. At the point Diane jumped into the car, her broken arm (resting in a sling in front of her) slammed into the steering wheel. If you had, you would clearly know that I do not claim her guilt or innocence. She. So she could not have shot her kids at the distance determined by the state unless she changed her clothing and it did not come up at trial. And the flat affect and sometimes inappropriate smiling would come with the territory so you cannot judge her actions without taking into account that she might not have been acting according to the norms. It isnt there all the time. and so on. Blood spatter is not an exact science, and is interpreted differently by experts. Some would say that Diane Downs was condemned because of her lies and inconsistencies, but I think that it was mostly because of her disturbing demeanor and brash personality. The best policy for Diane Downs would have been to remain silent, but she fought back and smiled at the wrong time and according to them, enjoyed the attention. Why doesnt the innocent project get involved with her case. You are wondering about the question why didn't steve downs get custody but currently there is no answer, so let kienthuctudonghoa.com summarize and list the top articles with the question. He had an attorney, Fred G. Campbell Jr., send us a letter denying our request and telling us: You are legally, as well as factually, a stranger to them. Who does he think he is? This case had many similarities to the Alice Crimminsstory. How ironic. But I will answer the points you raised about the blog. why didn't steve downs get custody. One of them named Angel, called 15-year-old Christie on the phone. It opened a huge can of worms regarding the real identity of the heart full of lies in this case. They did not want reunification to keep their verdict intact. She functions best in highly structured environments where she has a sense of control. She has done her time in prison and I hope that she gets the chance to get out and spend time with her mother and siblings. The inconsistencies and obvious lack of evidence in this case should have called for a wider investigation instead of solely focusing on their prime suspect. Some of your facts arent facts at all. I guess Diane forgot to have that part engraved on the Unicorn. In 1991, David Brewer, a juror who deliberated Dianes fate in her 1984 trial, came forward to say he and another juror had decided to acquit Downs by the close of the States presentation. I read the letter they sent to the Downs when they were fighting to see their grandchildren. Thanks Kit, It is a bit of a mystery to me that not more people see that if we removed the high profile name and the accompanying media storm, the case was no slam dunk. http://www.dianedowns.com/Dr.%20Jamison%20affidavit.pdf. Is Diane really a threat anymore? Lack of blood spatter is not evidence of innocence Especially when a shooter is leaning in and shooting into a box (car) while standing outside. They sure forgot to tell us about her pulse racing during these sessions. I agree about pregnancy and childbirth affecting women differently, and even having different effects for the same woman with different pregnancies. 1. Her husband turned out to be a player and a very irresponsible guy who did not really love her. You need real evidence in court. Her 7-year old daughter Cheryl died but her 3-year old son Danny and her 8-year old daughter Christie survived. Libby, I quoted what Diane said. Steve made some piss poor choices when he had visitation with the kids after the shooting; he permitted them to go off alone with Dianne, when she was not supposed to have had any contact at all with the children. But my beef is with the interference by the media, TV shows and Ann Rule. They were traumatized and needed familiar faces to feel safe. The fruit of this abduction was the May 23, 1983, videotape re-enactment staged by Detective Tracy in which Diane is clearly hysterical. It appeared rigged: Rigged? Her arm was severely damaged, so shattered that she needed a graft from a hip bone. You seem to forget that even a few jurors started by voting not guilty on some of the charges. 5. It is beyond belief that the State of Oregon allowed the prosecutor to adopt those children. The fact that she and her brother Danny were eventually adopted by Fred Hugi who prosecuted Diane Downs is the most blatant case of conflict of interest I have ever heard of. Re Diane Downs I invite reading Synopsis quite similar to above: OREGONs Juridical Small Sacrifices I write about cases where due process is in question and important aspects were ignored or twisted. Interesting that the article has one of the same elements that Diane perpetrated when she drove to the hospital the night of the murders she made more of a fuss about her arm injury than she did about one of her kids dying and two of them being gravely and permanently wounded. This article is about due process and the legal right to a fair trial for everyone. I was shocked any asked why she thought that. At what point during these meetings did she start calling him Dad? In reply to Nick. Maybe she didnt want to admit she was there for drugs, but you need a really tiny brain to worry about that in such a situation. There are no facts? Master Chief actor Pablo Schreiber has said he won't do an impression on the Halo TV show, suggesting he won't try to . Steve Howey and Sarah Shahi both grew up in the Lone Star state but their romance didn't begin until they were both acting in Los Angeles. Ginsburg didn't think women should get to do what men did because she believed they would do the job better; she wanted equality for its own liberating sake. Diane Downs was convicted because she didn't appear "sorry enough" during her TV appearances. They were in their care during the time Diane worked when she moved to Oregon. but later you claim Diane was inside the car and shot the kids in the car and that that BECAUSE she was inside the car she should have had blood splatter on herso WHICH IS IT, I dont know which it is Libby. What about the facts of the case? A. I dont recall telling her to get an apartment. Halo 4. Yet, that is exactly what the videotape showsDiane laughing hysterically about hurting her arm. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. The twosome first crossed paths in 2003 when Shahi. Considering that the marks on the lethal bullets did not fit the bullet fingerprinting found in the rifle, this gun switcheroo was a good save for the state, but did not support the theory presented at trial either. The next day, on June 16, 1983, CSD terminated Dianes visitations with her children altogether. Page 10 of Case History. High profile cases usually do not get the same treatment as regular folks. Nobody knows but her. Also, I agree he does look a little like the actor who played Fred Hugi but I think it might be a coincidence. The forensic evidence alone is absolutely weak. Litigating at the Supreme Court in . Ms. Downs makes every effort to avoid emotional stimuli in order to reduce the demands made on her. a clinical lab to Dianes not being herself the day the Detectives pressured Diane to accompany them, the fact is Diane was clearly suffering the residual effects of that chemical poison in her system. I am not biased. She could have stayed on the side of the road. If there is a fair trial and sentencing, I usually dont write about a case, but high profile cases tend to need more scrutiny because emotions run high. In my opinion, the investigation was too hasty and only focused on Diane. 1st, you came back from a trip? She was extremely intelligent but her emotional IQ was no match and her desire for freedom, love and affection were dangerously dragging her down a path of self-destruction. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPLkIcSzftE&ab_channel=DianeDownsArchives. Do not forget that she got letters of support from a warden and psychiatrist. Diane was in the hospital for a bone graft from June 2nd until June 6th, 1983. And in fact this would have been about the time that Charlene broke a bottle of liquor that you had. I felt there was something that should be done, but I was at a loss in how to cope with the Court that had given the children to the prosecutor and allowed false testimony to seal her fate. Yep, Downs who was found guilty in 1984, escaped successfully from the Oregon Womens Correctional Center in 1987 and was transferred to Jersey afterwards. It was a fairly new science at the time so thats all it took to find him not guilty. She claimed she . There is her story, the prosecution case and the defense arguments. It was demonstrated at trial that the shooter shot the kids at close range. Every time, she said she did not know, they told her to think again and made suggestions. Thanks again for bringing this to my attention. Thanks for posting for readers. I feel sorry for Diane too. Most get through it fine, maybe some complications or pain, maybe even some post pardum. So how she behaved at the time, should not have been a factor influencing the authorities. Even on a worldwide scale, the age of accountability is considered to be twelve years old. That is the way she was brought up,especially at the demand of her rigid but verydedicated father. She waseighteen and soon realized that she had jumped from the fire into the frying pan. So the prosecutor adopted the kids? The only reason they kept her in prison even if she had all the right documentation and support, is because she is high profile. She had the right to a fair trial as much as anyone else out there. A fact strongly denied by Diane and by the nurses reports. Her children deserved the whole truth and nothing but the truth. I go fishing with a jurors husband. While that makes her technically eligible for parole at some point (in her case 2009) it does not actually mean she has an end date or a release date. What matters to me is that her rights were trampled during her trial. I actually can relate to things she did and was like, especially chasing after a guy that dont want youi did one night stands during my chase..to try to get over himits was a dumb idea and really made things worse, but it made sense at the time. The whole family were co-conspirators and involved in the crime? How.. they attacked him. Just like Rule though, your blog is extremely biased, and reads almost as though she told you exactly what to write at times. I believe DDs case needs to be re looked at and all evidence reviewed. It would be about November 20th that you would have gone back with Charlene, what, the next day? Forensics or lack thereof and blood splatter? If he was getting too close to the witness emotionally he should have stepped away from the case. The bio family should have been given the same opportunity to see the kids and demonstrate their ability to be the guardians. And once again, considering that she was diagnosed as bipolar, did not help her cause. Meaning a trial where lying or failing to disclose exculpatory evidence by prosecutors is not happening. My opinion of why Mr. Hugi adopted Christie and Danny was to seal their lips. I lived through the media coverage. This was very stressful. So either way, it would not be so far fetched that someone said he was the shooter.A little investigation would not hurt. Saying that I seem to be doing what I accuse Ann Rule of doing is kind of ironic because the point of this blog is to try to stay away from innuendo and fantasies like unicorns and songs that might have been playing or not during a tragic murder. Christie became the star witness against her mother and who could resist such a touching testimony? Conflicting reports say Downs also acted as a surrogate during her fourth pregnancy, giving birth to a daughter after her trial in 1984. They would have tried to reopen the case. But in their defense, they were told at trial what gun was used by Diane to shoot the kids and it must have been very difficult to overcome the emotions brought on by the words of little Christie even if it was pretty obvious during her testimony that she was confused and unreliable. That they did not test the outside of the car? Every single one. They never found the gun and she showed no signs of having fired one. Considering the circumstances, it is difficult not to be a bit cynical about this grand gesture: relevance? I removed the dumb and crass part of your comment. I am a Mortuary science student, true crime fanatic, and have been following the Downs case since it happened. She also told media she became pregnant without Steve's "permission." 4 Steve has never spoken publicly about his ex-wife, Diane Credit: AP Most read in News More reason to have investigated the case more thoroughly. But before you get too deep into the drug stuff with Van Houten, she chose to take drugs. It was omnipresent in the courtroom as well as the Duran Duran song Hungry like the Wolf that supposedly was playing when the children were shot in the car. Or why the fact that he was a con artist made him such a credible guy in this case. Not exclusively a USA trait, this happens also in many countries, but in a technologically advanced superpower like USA this attitude is more shocking, and maybe also more worldwide spread. Nowadays, this insanity would never be tolerated. At first I thought she did it, now I made further research and I dont know what to think. The endorsement was so strong, in fact, that some interpreted it as a roundabout trade request. She s. The strong, emotive language. Diane is not a killer or a liar! And Steven would hunt her down anyway and charm his way back into her life. Evidence or not, they were going to do their best to put her away for life. Do you remember probably about four or five days after Or be mentally ill. The question is of course, how can we determine guilt or innocence without a fair trial? Wow. This does not make her innocent. I can make out I will ask you to take a good look at the people in your life. GSR can easily fall off just by brushing your hand against a surface. This was ridiculed countless times in the media, but frankly, it can be a very honorable endeavor, depending onhow you want to look at it. The interpretation of blood splatter is different than no blood splatter. Many attribute the conviction of Downs to the arrival of author Ann Rule at Downs' trial. Diane found a full-time job with the U.S. Post Office in 1981, and was stationed in Chandler. On the single count of murder, the jurors needed a unanimous decision. I bet the records are and always have been sealed regarding this aspect of the case. Their marriage was described as tumultuous, with Downs allegedly disappearing for long periods of time with her children. They are the ones who supposedly (according to Diane) screwed her up so badly. Detective Antoine also performed a trace metal test on Diane I S hands to detect the presence of trace metals left after someone has touched or held something metallic like a gun (Appendix 65). And these men in black perceived this as an act of war, and proceeded to go after them with every legal or illegal means at their disposal. And when kids are hurt, emotions keep flowing endlessly. The board said that her mental or emotional disorder makes her a danger to society. It could be argued that he developed a relationship with the children and genuinely wanted them to join his family. She did not fit in and was now anxious to assert her independence and live her own life. The detectives took Diane to the crime scene and were able to retrieve shell cases on the ground where the incident happened. I tried to contact you by email but my email wouldnt acknowledge you email address. Yes, Christie said she did not know who did it. Years later, Christie was heard saying by classmates that she did not know who shot her. If Diane was bipolar, the non-stop chatter would have been inherent to the situation: bipolar wasnt a diagnosable condition at the time of her first trial. I am a strong believer that pregnancy can do serious harm to some women. Of course I saw movie first, then read the bookI wanted more, sadly early Internet days, there wasnt much out there, as far as info or video, picturesnothing really. The fact that Dianes injury was way more serious than they tried to pretend? You left and you and Diane Downs spent an evening at a motel? Only after these avenues are exhausted should non-relative placement be looked at. The timing of her arrival at the hospital should have been discussed and explained in more details. I am a true crime junkie. It was cited that she keeps her emotions close to the vest. Hed left his first wife to co-habitate with (and later marry) Charlene. Foote refused 30 to 50 reports by detectives of sightings or leads about the shooter but admitted reports from people in Arizona willing to badmouth Diane. Why on earth would anyone recommend leaving the kids with the grandparents? During cross-examination, she said that she witnessed the murders while sitting up and that Cheryl was sitting up on the front seat when she got shot. U seem very one sided on every case Ann Rule has ever written just as u claim she did to u. N her parents didnt want custody of the children just like the father. The notes taken daily by the nurses became a point of contention at trial. 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